Wednesday, October 25, 2006

issue 4 vs. issue 5

OK, so I finally decided to spout off about the two smoking bans on the Ohio ballot. In my observation, Issue 4 seems to be doing way more advertising than Issue 5, but maybe I'm just not watching enough TV.

Issue 5, supported by Smoke Free Ohio, is probably the easiest to explain: it bans smoking in all stores, restaurants, workplaces, bars, bowling alleys, and just about any other building you can think of that isn't a private residence. It gets stickier in areas where a private residence is also used as a business: in this case, no smoking is permitted during business hours in the area of the residence that's open to the public. Nursing homes, being places of residence, are permitted to have designated smoking rooms for residents only, and employees may not be asked to enter said room during working hours. The law would go into effect 30 days after the election, i.e. December 7th.

Issue 4, supported by Smoke Less Ohio, dubs itself "the common sense smoking ban" because it would ban smoking in most public buildings, as well as places of employment.

That's assuming your place of employment isn't a restaurant that earns 40% of its income from alcohol sales, in which case it's considered a "bar" and smoking is permitted. If you don't like it, Issue 4 says, get a new job: When 90% of workplaces are covered by the smoking ban to begin with, and more are already choosing to be smoke-free, as Marriott and Bob Evans have recently done, people in every job category really do have a choice of workplace environment.

"Getting a new job" is a very popular libertarian solution to just about any problem, and is one of the reasons I stopped aligning myself with libertarian values. Getting a new job at the same pay rate in the same field of work in the same geographic region isn't always easy. And as I've said before, why should I be looking for a new job to avoid smoke? Who's to say my next employer won't also be a smoker? The place I work now used to be smoke-free until the president of the company started smoking, then suddenly that unwritten rule disappeared and we all get to enjoy that smooth, cool taste.

The general libertarian rule is "you have the right to do what you want so long as it doesn't infringe on others' rights" -- and when it comes to smoking, they often defend the smoker's "right" to do what he/she wants, rather than the non-smoker's "right" to not be affected by it. While on the surface this would seem to be a contradiction for them, it's really not: they would prefer the non-smoker be proactive and constantly ask the smoker time and time again to please step outside to enjoy his Camel Lights, rather than institue a smoking ban. Libertarians are big on the "every man for himself" adage, so the same principle applies here.

Of course, many libertarians' dislike of draconian bans ends where their child's peanut allergy begins. Except in that case, the whole school has to stop eating peanut butter sandwiches because of a few kids (who I'm sure will be tormented for such), whereas secondhand smoke affects everyone in its presence. But I digress. I'm sure the libbies would argue that their child has to go to school, whereas I don't have to go to work -- just get a new job!

Another catch with Issue 4 is that it allows smoking in workplaces where minors are prohibited. That's fine for bars and strip clubs, but it also means any old cubicle farm could decide to "prohibit minors" in order to legally allow smoking. Don't like it? Again, get a new job!

All that aside, my biggest problem with Issue 4 is that it would make governmental smoking bans illegal. Voters in Toledo approved a sweeping, city-wide smoking ban a few years ago, but Issue 4 would render it void. Bowling Green voters implemented a smoking ban in restaurants with an exception for restaurants with closed off smoking sections having separate ventilation systems and bars (where "bar" is defined as 50% of income from alcohol sales). Issue 4, aside from voiding the 21 smoking bans already in place in Ohio municipalities, would also trump Issue 5 if both proposals pass. The Issue 4 campaign responds to this by saying, In many communities, the existing regulations are very similar to the provisions of Issue 4. And it’s fundamentally more fair, when you think about it, that the rules are the same for everyone. A level playing field is less confusing and doesn’t give any locality a business advantage over any other.

Uh, sorry, but saying "if you think about it" isn't a convincing argument. I mean, "if you think about it," localities should be allowed to decide what goes on within their borders, rather than having their ordinances nullified by the state. See how easy (and unconvincing) that was?

Other statements from the Issue 4 FAQ: Ohioans should be free to make personal choices, whether about their own health or how to run their businesses. This is where we take the word "corporation" literally, as a body that has human rights to be protected. Given the choice, somehow the "rights" of the non-human corporations often trump the "rights" of the people who have more than just money to be concenred about.

To me, this is by far the most tell-tale line from Issue 4's FAQ, regarding asking smokers to step outside: Remember that when a group of people just step outside to smoke, they form a smoker’s cluster that can be a lot more annoying to passers-by than if they stayed where they were. You see? They even debunked the simple courtesy of smoking outside! Personal Opinion: They really do want smokers to have the "right" to light up wherever they please without being inconvenienced. The only reason they're supporting Issue 4 is because it will outlaw local and statewide smoking bans, while throwing just enough crumbs to the non-smokers of Ohio to make it pass the ballot. They'll concede smoking in most workplaces just so Issue 5, and other local ordinances like it, are rendered void. That's why they're going after an amendment to the Ohio constitution here, not just a law.

Two weeks from today we'll know the results. I have a feeling one of the issues will pass, but I honestly can't guess which one. Non-smokers are in the vast majority, but not all of them necessarily support even a lesser ban such as Issue 4. I think Issue 5 may be too much too soon. I myself, despite what you may think after reading this post, haven't even decided if I'm going to vote for Issue 5. But I will say this: if it does pass, I'm going bowling on December 7th. Then, I'm going to a karaoke bar. And I'm going to enjoy every smoke-free minute of it.

Regardless of which one passes, I question how this will be policed. Do they really think a lowly employee, especially in a small business where gossip spreads quickly, is going to report the big cheese to the authorities? And that there won't then be backlash toward that worker? You know how employers always love a good whistle-blower.

As an aside, I'll state here that I very much dislike the "take a stand" commercials. Their misleading (and sometimes downright faulty) statements, combined with snotty, smart-mouthed kids painting smokers as evil incarnate do absolutely no good. They make the rest of us non-smokers look like whiny Puritan crybabies every time we ask a smoker to step outside, and makes people like me loathe to do so (which is probably stupid since I'm a cancer survivor and I'm now more susceptible to lung cancer -- but that's not really Stand's fault).

Here's an idea for the Stand campaign that might actually be funny: "Every time someone lights up then asks if I mind if he smokes, I cut a ripe, juicy one, wave it in his face, then ask if he minds if I pass gas. {{PPPFFFTTTT!!}} Ahhh. Speak up. Take a stand against faux courtesy."

I'm pretty sure flatulence doesn't cause cancer either. Global warming, maybe.

Links:
Issue 4 FAQ
Issue 5 FAQ

21 Comments:

At Thu Oct 26, 08:25:00 AM 2006, Blogger Mike said...

One of the few things PA has going for it is that there is an issue 5-esque ban in the entire state.

Then again, you'd have to move here, and, well, we saw how much you think of the 'get a new job' approach.

 
At Thu Oct 26, 09:07:00 AM 2006, Blogger Eostre said...

I know I'll be voting for issue 5; living here in Kent, I really miss the smoking bans from Toledo and BG. [Although Toledo was really bad at enforcing theirs.]

 
At Thu Oct 26, 09:07:00 AM 2006, Blogger Bryan said...

And besides, Al Gore said Pennsylvania is a hellhole. And you know how I feel about hellholes.

President Gore! {snap snap} Oh what a bore! {snap snap}

 
At Fri Oct 27, 09:13:00 AM 2006, Blogger Mike said...

Dental Plan....

 
At Fri Oct 27, 09:29:00 AM 2006, Blogger RealSturat said...

Lisa needs braces...

 
At Fri Oct 27, 09:39:00 AM 2006, Blogger Bryan said...

Actual ad: "Vote no on Issue 5! Don't let big government tell you what to do."

...which is why the bi-partisan nature of smoking is so amusing. I know of liberals who are in favor of universal healthcare and denounce the ravages of libertarian free market capitalism, but oppose smoking bans because they enjoy smoking. :)

 
At Fri Oct 27, 12:18:00 PM 2006, Blogger Mike said...

Or just how wrong that ad is.

If a majority of people vote yes to issue 5, then it is the people telling the government what to do...

 
At Fri Oct 27, 12:37:00 PM 2006, Blogger Bryan said...

Yeah, but the majority isn't always right. Why, just look at the civil rights era. Clearly, smokers are an oppressed minority. And smoking is EXACTLY like being born with dark skin. Exactly the same.

/me removes tongue from cheek

 
At Sun Oct 29, 09:54:00 PM 2006, Blogger Bryan said...

By the way, one of those liberals is Whoopi Goldberg. The only episode of her ill-fated sitcom I saw a few years ago included Whoopi on a diatribe about how her right to smoke was being suppressed because of New York City's smoking ban.

news brief here

And just for fun, South Park clip here.

 
At Tue Oct 31, 09:12:00 PM 2006, Blogger Bryan said...

As an aside, Yahoo seems to love my blog. I've gotten at least 10 hits in the past five days from people searching Yahoo for "issue 4 vs. issue 5 ohio smoking" and variants thereof. In fact, if you type in the title of this post, this page is the first result.

A Yahoo search for "earl martin avon lake" brings up my Earl The Pearl rant as the second result. I'm both honored and concerned at the same time.

I also seem to be getting a lot of hits from people Googling for things like "is it OK to wear black shoes with a blue suit?"

 
At Thu Nov 02, 02:56:00 PM 2006, Anonymous Kathy said...

the one really telling fact, to me, is that R.J. Reynolds is behind issue 4. 'nuff said.

 
At Sun Nov 05, 10:35:00 AM 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If issue 4 screws up my dear Bowling Green, I will be hella-pissed. One of the reasons we bought a house in Bowling Green and decided to live here and support this community, was because of the smoking ban here.

Living in Bowling Green, I can go just about anywhere and enjoy myself. When I lived in Cincinnati, I almost never went out to eat or to the local coffee shop because it was so smoky everywhere.

And Bryan, I agree with you about the hypocrisy and impossibility of the Libertarian ideal. I used to really believe in it, until I realized that it is no less idealistic and dreamy than pure communism or anarchism.

Sadly, back onto topic, I am expecting that both will pass.....Issue 5 with a far higher majority, but Issue 4 with just enough to ruin what I enjoy in my city.

-skootch

 
At Sun Nov 05, 01:09:00 PM 2006, Blogger Bryan said...

Unfortunately, it appears the deliberate confusion and misleading by the Issue 4 campaign may be working: a September 24th poll by the Columbus Dispatch showed Issue 4 winning 55-38 and Issue 5 winning 58-34. That means a lot of people are probably planning to vote for both. And since Issue 4 is an amendment to the constitution, it will both trump Issue 5 and be harder to change or repeal.

 
At Sun Nov 05, 05:22:00 PM 2006, Blogger Schutze said...

you know, I apparently forgot how an amendment to the STATE constitution is made... I didn't realize that a simple majority in an election could do it. maybe next year we should all lobby to get an amendment stating that further proposed amendments require a 66.66% or higher vote to become an amendment. . .

 
At Sun Nov 05, 05:23:00 PM 2006, Blogger Schutze said...

which, of course, would be too little too late...

 
At Sun Nov 05, 06:56:00 PM 2006, Blogger Justin said...

Schutze, there's a proposed amendment to the Florida constitution to require a 60% vote to pass an amendment instead of the (current) simple majority. Both sides are claiming that lobbyists win if their cause doesn't prevail...

 
At Sun Nov 05, 07:05:00 PM 2006, Blogger Schutze said...

What do you think? I haven't given it deep thought or any research, but it seems like having a simple majority be enough hardly makes sense. Why not make every proposed law an amendment....this current issue in Ohio seems to show that few people other than the pundits really even recognize the difference.

 
At Mon Nov 06, 12:29:00 AM 2006, Blogger Justin said...

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At Mon Nov 06, 12:29:00 AM 2006, Blogger Justin said...

There is some research in political science about the appropriate level of regulation/legislation and also on the effect of direct democracy on legislation. There are a couple of particular problems with having low thresholds on constitutional amendments. The worst, in my book, is that there is quite a bit of potential for perverse voting outcomes because of the structuring of the agenda (and its isolation from alternatives.) In a constitutional amendment, you are essentially comparing X to not X, instead of X to all the other possible options out there. A public can prefer X to not X, but much prefer Y to both. (And, a public can actually prefer X to not X, Y to X, and not X to Y! But that's a longer story.) Legislatures permit those kind of comparisons, and they have the flexibility to make changes down the road if the current plan becomes inviable. In addition to that problem, I think there are just a lot of issues that the public shouldn't be deciding the specifics of because they require too much specialized knowledge.

 
At Tue Nov 07, 09:20:00 AM 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Something as trivial as a smoking ban should never be a constitutional amendment. And, I'm not a smoker, but businesses such as bars should have a right to allow smoking.

I think it's funny that the liberals are screaming how the Bush administration is taking away our rights in the name of security, but they sure don't hesitate to take away rights too in the name of trying to keep anyone from being "offended".

 
At Tue Nov 07, 04:35:00 PM 2006, Blogger Bryan said...

"But why can't we just make a law against flag burning?"

"Because that law would be unconstitutional. But if we change the constitution--"

"--Then we could make all sorts of crazy laws!"

{cross-out} {squiggle} {zigzag}

"Now you're catchin' on!!"

An Amendment to Be (Simpsons video)

 

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